I’m heading up to WV for a CTT class this weekend. I am going to throw this post out there before I depart.
A comment on yesterdays post ‘Beyond Gear: Teamwork & Leadership‘ illustrates some common misunderstandings, and generally misrepresents my motivation behind my post.
Let me understand this.
If I come to WV and learn the skills from MVT, I shouldn’t go back home and teach my team what I’ve learned?
I understand that the best training is best taught by the best teachers but don’t you think the training should be shared with my teammates, or is MVT the only one that is capable of teaching this at a static location?
When I share it and teach it, I may not be able to immolate it exactly, but the basics can be replicated, can they not?
What you offer at MVT is excellent, and vital to the exciting days ahead, but what Mosby is offering is also valuable in that not all of us will be operating in an AO such as WV. We may be in the open prairie, desert southwest, or mountain ranges of the northwest, and Mosby offers to come to us, and train us in our AO.
All of you that have stepped up and offered professional SUT training to civilians are valuable to the cause, I just hope we don’t eat our young in the process.
Hmmm. Is this deliberately obtuse, or not? Either way, it exhibits some common misunderstandings.
1) It’s not that you shouldn’t, or won’t, share your training with teammates. It’s whether you can, effectively. Just this last 6 day class, a two time attendee from Texas commented that he had tried with his group, and it simply didn’t work. A mixture of his ability to teach, egos, disruptions and the like. So you may get better results having more of your group trained at source. You can tell me that is more expensive, but I will tell you it is about the results you want, and some quote about paying peanuts and getting monkeys….
2) I have various groups of Alumni constantly emailing me with questions and clarification as they move on with their training, together as group. They return sporadically. It’s not that I won’t help people, or discourage training as a group. In fact, I encourage it, as per my comments on training as a CUTT, but SUT is not as simple as a 3 day class and plug and play…..and if others have not trained at MVT, they may not fully understand the ‘why’ which, leads to problems of ego and understanding.
3) Basics my or may not be transferable depending on your skill as a teacher and the character of your trainees. If they are not really convinced by you, they may argue the point based on youtube and the internet…..
4) Why the Max/Mosby comparison? I have stated that I will come to you and train you if you like, such as with Texas. What this misses is that the training in WV, although held in WV, does not make it solely suitable for WV. What I am teaching is applicable in all locations. All that may change is spacing and what you are using for cover. The basic principle to what is being taught does not change. My CTT class in Texas is the same as my CTT class in WV, the terrain is just a little different. This is a common misunderstanding that you may not grasp until you have actually attended training.
Despite Riot’s somewhat combative comments and the seeming desire to make this about some Max/Mosby comparison and a ‘tactical trainer war’ it simply isn’t. There is actually more cross-attendance at MVT/Mosby classes than you may think. It’s not a competition between the two training models. We both do what we do. And setting yourself up as ‘instructor X’ teaching ripped off MVT lessons is not the same as training your guys at home. But training your group with you as the sole MVT Alumni may be harder than you think.
However, there are a few realities that are missed:
1) Attending a single class at MVT may not be (probably isn’t) enough to give you the ability to fully roll yourself out as a ‘train the trainer.’ Classes are not at the level of ‘train the trainer’ anyway. They are designed to teach YOU the basics. Whether you have the ability to fully digest that and then pass it on depends on you, your past experiences, and how willing your group is to learn from you. Some can do it, but mainly after more than one class, and a progression to Combat Patrol. The addition of the coming CUTT Leader class will also give you more of an understanding and ability to lead a team.
2) Better results are achieved by those who bring their group, or at least a large part of it, to be trained. This expands the knowledge and understanding base. It gives you some back-up when you try and train people who will argue the point, or who were in the military for 5 minutes 20 years ago and remember it differently from boot camp….*sigh*.
3) I put out vast volumes of free information. No, I’m not going to go totally ‘free’ and I’m not doing full videos with voice over instructions rather than music. As a small business I need to get by and I need some people to at least show up to get the training, rather than thinking they can get it from the computer screen. There is a somewhat entitled mentality out there from many identifying themselves as upholders of freedom (‘the cause’), which is somewhat surprising. I don’t owe you tactical training, no more than the gun store owes you a rifle, or the dried food people owe you your food stash. I put a huge amount out there, but at the end of the day in a free market I need to trade services for goods in order to put food on my table. There was a great comment on the post:
I would hope the poachers out there that grab all the “free cheese” offered here (and it’s real good free cheese) would at least donate to the forum occasionally or buy some books.
4) The flip side of this is that as I have commented, if you attended these classes and take the training seriously, you can get yourself and your group up to a high level of tactical competence, at or beyond a military standard. It is a hobby that requires investment of sweat, treasure and time, so ask yourself what you want?
5) There is again this massive ignorance and misunderstanding that training taking place in WV is only applicable to WV. For example, Combat Team Tactics (CTT) teaches you the basics from individual to team level and includes a squad hasty attack. This is applicable to any environment. Combat Patrol is applicable to any environment, with the basics of patrolling, ambush, recce and raid. The actual fact is that because the WV site is so well set up, you will get better training there due to the nature of the ranges and the targets etc. I encourage students to travel to me, with the exception of requests for mobility classes, which need roads/tracks on which to do vehicle maneuver and suitable backstops for live firing.
6) The main issue here is whether you are willing to travel to WV, which many are from all over the country. If you have a larger group and want to be trained at your own site (mainly due to travel costs), I offer that also. It is simply not a thing between MVT and Mosby: that he will train you at your place and I won’t. He has stated that for his own reasons he won’t buy a facility. I have created a facility for my own training reasons. Also remember, I am full time at this and Mosby and others are not, which is a factor behind decisions on training facilities etc. I decided to give up my day job in order to attempt this full time, to make myself available. Like all small business ventures, it may or may not be successful. As I make myself available to train people for SHTF, because I genuinely want people to be able to defend themselves, at the same time no-one is bankrolling me to do so. That is reality.
So there are some simple realities there that the free shit types may not like. Sending one guy to become your trainer after a CTT class may or may not be useful. Better results will be had by training your whole team, either at WV or your home property. That will give you a solid foundation for your own follow on training, interspersed with re-attendance at classes. I had one group who had Mosby train them at home, then 4 of them did my classes in WV (twice) and they are having Mosby back.
Texas CTT/Mobility 5 day class: